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Lanier · Aug 29, 2010, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

I hope you aren't serious.. Check the number of updates which happened recently... I can think of that joke henchmen contest , where it was clearly said that meta bars wouldnt be taken , and finally it's what won ( yes , let's not waste time finding .. ) . Since that update , there were no single update in PvP ( i'm not going to consider random 3 skills nerfed every 3 months ) .

So , whereas HB code is still there , and looking the amount of effort they put in updates , adding back HB would be even easierfor them

Of course im being serious. Why would i have posted if i weren't?

That isn't entirely true. There have been some GvG tweaks and there are supposed to be more gvg changes in the future. Also, if anet is going to tweak somethink in pvp, I would far rather them spend their time fixing codex than reinstituting HB.

I am curious how you know that it would be easy to reinstitute HB. I mean i guess they could have it the way it used to be, but that area on the map is now the codex arena. I seriously doubt that reinstituting HB would require "little" effort, especially if anet also instituted the changes that the pro-HB people in this thread have suggested.

Missing HB · Aug 29, 2010, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by Earth

Also, how many people actually played HB? A lot of top players had a shitload of socks AFAIK.

As far as i remember , there were always more than 100 ppl playing tourneys( some Ats even had more than 3 pages of register , meaning over 256 ppl)

If i just get a look at Gvg At's , there are usually 6 guilds max playing( and less than 4 , sometimes none on dead hour ) , some forfeiting ( so it will be max 40 players ) ; aswell , how many people are playing codex?

@ Lanier : i don't believe it's really hard to change codex ( there is nothing there.. ) and to add back something that already existed...

Lanier · Aug 29, 2010, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

@ Lanier : i don't believe it's really hard to change codex ( there is nothing there.. ) and to add back something that already existed...

Wait... you are suggesting removing codex for HB?

Nonono, I would far rather have Codex even in its current format than have HB. At least now i can have friends get on and play a fun format with me. Of course if they fixed codex, that would be ideal, but no replacing it with HB.

Fluffy Kittens · Aug 29, 2010, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by Lanier

I am curious how you know that it would be easy to reinstitute HB. I mean i guess they could have it the way it used to be, but that area on the map is now the codex arena. I seriously doubt that reinstituting HB would require "little" effort, especially if anet also instituted the changes that the pro-HB people in this thread have suggested.

That wouldn't be any problem at all, Anet coder could do it in 1 day. Anyway it's normal that HB has some haters who only did it for zquest or never did or even did it but were terrible in it I mean every format has it's haters its normal. But that's exactly why Anet should make a poll and eventually bring HB back if required number of people (which Anet should decide how big it should be) would agree.
I noticed some of u said it's broken format with lot of abuses. Well you can be sure GvG and HA are a lot more broken. GvG = only 1 build which is way too op works if you wanna win anything on MAT. And HA is just full of abusers, gankers and people who are not playing to win but just to gank. Personally I get ganked in at least 50% of 3 teams games there so I'd say that's greater format abuse than HB.
And please can you people get back to topic now? Just express your opinion if that poll would be good idea or not.
Thank you.

Missing HB · Aug 29, 2010, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by Lanier

Wait... you are suggesting removing codex for HB?

Nonono, I would far rather have Codex even in its current format than have HB. At least now i can have friends get on and play a fun format with me. Of course if they fixed codex, that would be ideal, but no replacing it with HB.

The Poll Rezz Anna Nicole suggested is to ask players to choose between TA+ HB or Codex .
You're saying " At least now " , but couldn't you play TA with your friends ?And , following the thread idea , TA would come back if Codex gets out , so you could stil be able to have fun ..

Aswell , i would like to add that HB was the only format where " luck " didnt really matter , since you're alone with your heroes. You don't lose because you have no monk ( RA ) , because you get 6 melee chars(Fa/JQ) , because you get dcs in your team ( GvG/HA) or because of stupid ganks in halls ( HA).

As many people said it on Heroes Ascent forum , it's really annoying when you want just have fun games , and you finally realized that you just wasted your time...

MithranArkanere · Aug 29, 2010, 08:54 PM // 20:54

More people getting again a toss-coin PvP title?
Why?

Elnino · Aug 29, 2010, 10:17 PM // 22:17

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

More people getting again a toss-coin PvP title?
Why?

you think anyone is going to toss a coin/RR or anything for title points? Are you forgetting that it's match manipulation and is against the EULA? Anet banned hundreds of match manipulators in GvG in May, they will ban anyone who does RR or anything like it in HB. There you go guys, no more RR abusing.

Also, if you look at my post on the page before with the list of fixes, one of it is to have a rank requirement and have better rewards at the top part of the ladder. This will encourage people to get better so that they can earn more points at higher levels.

Coast · Aug 29, 2010, 11:31 PM // 23:31

people could run 4bips and sac emselves,lolol

Sauron The Greatest · Aug 30, 2010, 12:26 AM // 00:26

You guys don't get it.

The problem that led into the Red Resign and other exploits was The Z-Quest, remove it and there you have it, no1 is gonna Red Resign for commander pts unless they are retarded, trust me.

The removal of HB and TA and the subsequent failure of codex was in my opinion, the worst decision that anet made in GW.

The removal of a whole format is ALWAYS the last resort (even if the format is played by 2 or 20000 players), after years of promises that they will try to give HB some love the devs lied to the HB whole community and was disrespectful to their players.

I think all those players that are hating on this thread should try to put themselves on HB'ers shoes.

I Elite Starchild I · Aug 30, 2010, 01:38 AM // 01:38

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Originally Posted by Elnino

You sirs, are idiots.

The people who want Hero Battles back don't want to farm title points,zkeys or faction. We want it back because WE ENJOYED IT. The title points are just there as a reward for a victory. I don't care about the faction or the zkeys. I never did the zquest while it was around, there was no need for me to do it. You people need to understand that the majority of people that abused HB (RR mainly) were PvE'ers. PvE'ers live to make money, that's why they came to HB on zquest day, to make money. No zquest, no PvE'ers.

Us HBers loved it for what it was, not what we got out of it.

Since there isn't enough people on the live team to babysit every format; how about we stop babysitting Pve? PvE gets so much love compared to PvP and the PvE'ers are still crying for more. Funny thing is, PvE doesn't actually have any serious problems whereas PvP still does. Enough with Pve, give something back to PvP

I don't understand why you are name calling... the PRECISE reason why it would ONLY work with ABSOLUTELY ZERO rewards is to keep the people EXPLOITING it OUT of the format. THEN, THEN, THEN.... All the people that 'loved it for what it was' or 'ENJOYED IT' can continue playing it without players RR for faction, zkeys, title, or to have their name posted on a website.

Nothing is free, if you want HB back you must be willing to GIVE something up, its 1v1, for the love of Dwayna, RR cannot be fixed without removing rewards... So... Remove ALL possible rewards, and 100% of the exploiters will be gone... If you really ONLY want it back because you enjoyed it then this would be OBVIOUS to you, and the 'honest' (lol) HB loving players would accept this as a solution so they can play their beloved format.

And /agree to your last statement. PvP needs ALOT of work, I have no arguement with that in the least.

Elnino · Aug 30, 2010, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Originally Posted by I Elite Starchild I

I don't understand why you are name calling... the PRECISE reason why it would ONLY work with ABSOLUTELY ZERO rewards is to keep the people EXPLOITING it OUT of the format. THEN, THEN, THEN.... All the people that 'loved it for what it was' or 'ENJOYED IT' can continue playing it without players RR for faction, zkeys, title, or to have their name posted on a website.

Nothing is free, if you want HB back you must be willing to GIVE something up, its 1v1, for the love of Dwayna, RR cannot be fixed without removing rewards... So... Remove ALL possible rewards, and 100% of the exploiters will be gone... If you really ONLY want it back because you enjoyed it then this would be OBVIOUS to you, and the 'honest' (lol) HB loving players would accept this as a solution so they can play their beloved format.

While we're at it, lets remove the glad title from RA, Fame from HA, champ points from GvG, Codex title from Codex and all the chest drops and ambraces/ectos from PvE! Then the people who love it will only play! /endsarcasm

You do realize that Hero Battles is PvP right? PvP meaning that it's competitive? If there's nothing to compete for, the entire format will be useless. I loved HB, I loved its competitiveness. I played for the competition in getting to the top ranks, winning an AT, getting a high commander title. The fun and the love came as a result of the competition.

This goes for any format in the game. Do you think anyone will be doing DoA if ambraces were removed? Will anyone HA if there was no fame? I know many people enjoy Speed Clears, but do you seriously think people would do it if there were no rewards? SoOsc without the Bone Dragon Staff? FoWsc without the end chest, just the word "Congratulations"? Why do you think no one does Urgoz, Deep, sorrow's furnace or other eotn dungeons (except Kathandrax, Rragar's and Slavers)? Because the rewards aren't worth it.

If there were no rewards in HB, it wouldn't be worth it. If Anet fixed HB like they were supposed to, there would be NOTHING to exploit. Also, even if they re-instituted HB without fixing it, no one would dare do Red Resign or anything like it (see my post above). They will get banned. Back then, no one feared doing it since they knew they wouldn't get banned. Now they know that it is against the EULA and that they will get banned if they did it.

Also, if you think that we want HB back just so that we can exploit it/abuse it, why on earth will we be stating the solutions to fix HB and to stop the exploiting? Please tell me. Who would want to abuse a format and state how to stop the abuse at the same time?

I Elite Starchild I · Aug 30, 2010, 06:50 AM // 06:50

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Originally Posted by Elnino

While we're at it, lets remove the glad title from RA, Fame from HA, champ points from GvG, Codex title from Codex and all the chest drops and ambraces/ectos from PvE! Then the people who love it will only play! /endsarcasm

You do realize that Hero Battles is PvP right? PvP meaning that it's competitive? If there's nothing to compete for, the entire format will be useless. I loved HB, I loved its competitiveness. I played for the competition in getting to the top ranks, winning an AT, getting a high commander title. The fun and the love came as a result of the competition.

This goes for any format in the game. Do you think anyone will be doing DoA if ambraces were removed? Will anyone HA if there was no fame? I know many people enjoy Speed Clears, but do you seriously think people would do it if there were no rewards? SoOsc without the Bone Dragon Staff? FoWsc without the end chest, just the word "Congratulations"? Why do you think no one does Urgoz, Deep, sorrow's furnace or other eotn dungeons (except Kathandrax, Rragar's and Slavers)? Because the rewards aren't worth it.

If there were no rewards in HB, it wouldn't be worth it. If Anet fixed HB like they were supposed to, there would be NOTHING to exploit. Also, even if they re-instituted HB without fixing it, no one would dare do Red Resign or anything like it (see my post above). They will get banned. Back then, no one feared doing it since they knew they wouldn't get banned. Now they know that it is against the EULA and that they will get banned if they did it.

Also, if you think that we want HB back just so that we can exploit it/abuse it, why on earth will we be stating the solutions to fix HB and to stop the exploiting? Please tell me. Who would want to abuse a format and state how to stop the abuse at the same time?

Throwing out 100's of examples that are irrelevant isn't helping your claim. None of your examples have been REMOVED from the game like HB WAS.

Simple fact of the matter is HB is GONE, it's been gone for a LONG time, NONE of the debates have brought Anet even close to reconsidering. The next step is to MOVE ON, or forfeit EVERY reason to abuse the format in hopes that you can at least bring Anet into the REALM of considering bringing it back, otherwise forget about it.

Sirius Bsns · Aug 30, 2010, 06:50 AM // 06:50

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Originally Posted by Elnino

While we're at it, lets remove the glad title from RA, Fame from HA, champ points from GvG, Codex title from Codex and all the chest drops and ambraces/ectos from PvE! Then the people who love it will only play! /endsarcasm

You do realize that Hero Battles is PvP right? PvP meaning that it's competitive? If there's nothing to compete for, the entire format will be useless. I loved HB, I loved its competitiveness. I played for the competition in getting to the top ranks, winning an AT, getting a high commander title. The fun and the love came as a result of the competition.

This goes for any format in the game. Do you think anyone will be doing DoA if ambraces were removed? Will anyone HA if there was no fame? I know many people enjoy Speed Clears, but do you seriously think people would do it if there were no rewards? SoOsc without the Bone Dragon Staff? FoWsc without the end chest, just the word "Congratulations"? Why do you think no one does Urgoz, Deep, sorrow's furnace or other eotn dungeons (except Kathandrax, Rragar's and Slavers)? Because the rewards aren't worth it.

If there were no rewards in HB, it wouldn't be worth it. If Anet fixed HB like they were supposed to, there would be NOTHING to exploit. Also, even if they re-instituted HB without fixing it, no one would dare do Red Resign or anything like it (see my post above). They will get banned. Back then, no one feared doing it since they knew they wouldn't get banned. Now they know that it is against the EULA and that they will get banned if they did it.

Also, if you think that we want HB back just so that we can exploit it/abuse it, why on earth will we be stating the solutions to fix HB and to stop the exploiting? Please tell me. Who would want to abuse a format and state how to stop the abuse at the same time?

I totally agree with the majority of your post except the parts in bold. Nothing's competitive about red-resigning, /roll 100'ing, exploiting shadowsteps, etc... Also, no one would be banned for it because there'd be far too many players banned and Anet would lose alot of money by driving away their customers like that. Instead, they'd probably find ways to nullify/close those exploits [perhaps making like-colored capes and disabling the /roll emote while in PvP? I dunno... *shrugs*].

Elnino · Aug 30, 2010, 07:07 AM // 07:07

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Originally Posted by Sirius Bsns

I totally agree with the majority of your post except the parts in bold. Nothing's competitive about red-resigning, /roll 100'ing, exploiting shadowsteps, etc...

Actually, I was talking about the competitiveness of playing HB properly i.e. trying to go up the ladder, winning ATs etc.

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Also, no one would be banned for it because there'd be far too many players banned and Anet would lose alot of money by driving away their customers like that.

Anet wasn't afraid to ban 3700 accounts in May. In fact, they actually made money as a result of those bans (people buying new accounts). Red resign is against the EULA (Gaile stated that). Those "far too many players" wouldn't Red Resign in the first place if they knew they would get a perma-ban. Last year, people didn't realize that it was against the EULA and Anet didn't take any action because HB was going to be removed anyway.

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disabling the /roll emote while in PvP? I dunno... *shrugs*.

You've never done PvP before

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Originally Posted by I Elite Starchild I

Throwing out 100's of examples that are irrelevant isn't helping your claim. None of your examples have been REMOVED from the game like HB WAS.

Simple fact of the matter is HB is GONE, it's been gone for a LONG time, NONE of the debates have brought Anet even close to reconsidering. The next step is to MOVE ON, or forfeit EVERY reason to abuse the format in hopes that you can at least bring Anet into the REALM of considering bringing it back, otherwise forget about it.

It ain't irrelevant at all. You see, you are talking about removing all rewards, and so am I. Same scenario.

None of the debates have brought Anet even close to reconsidering because all the forums have Mods who strike at the chance to close a thread that's related to HB. No one gets a chance to say anything. This thread has been very lucky. *knocks on wood*

Missing HB · Aug 30, 2010, 07:19 AM // 07:19

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Originally Posted by Elnino

While we're at it, lets remove the glad title from RA, Fame from HA, champ points from GvG, Codex title from Codex and all the chest drops and ambraces/ectos from PvE! Then the people who love it will only play! /endsarcasm

You do realize that Hero Battles is PvP right? PvP meaning that it's competitive? If there's nothing to compete for, the entire format will be useless. I loved HB, I loved its competitiveness. I played for the competition in getting to the top ranks, winning an AT, getting a high commander title. The fun and the love came as a result of the competition.

This goes for any format in the game. Do you think anyone will be doing DoA if ambraces were removed? Will anyone HA if there was no fame? I know many people enjoy Speed Clears, but do you seriously think people would do it if there were no rewards? SoOsc without the Bone Dragon Staff? FoWsc without the end chest, just the word "Congratulations"? Why do you think no one does Urgoz, Deep, sorrow's furnace or other eotn dungeons (except Kathandrax, Rragar's and Slavers)? Because the rewards aren't worth it.

If there were no rewards in HB, it wouldn't be worth it. If Anet fixed HB like they were supposed to, there would be NOTHING to exploit. Also, even if they re-instituted HB without fixing it, no one would dare do Red Resign or anything like it (see my post above). They will get banned. Back then, no one feared doing it since they knew they wouldn't get banned. Now they know that it is against the EULA and that they will get banned if they did it.

Also, if you think that we want HB back just so that we can exploit it/abuse it, why on earth will we be stating the solutions to fix HB and to stop the exploiting? Please tell me. Who would want to abuse a format and state how to stop the abuse at the same time?

This post is completly right and anyone who doesn't agree with it either didn't play HB at least a bit , either is a big addicted high end area farmer.
I will say it again , people who played HB seriously did it because of the ladder and the tournaments ( so do people in GvG). If you remove those , then there will be left some casual players who will do 1-2 fights , and that's all.

Terrible Surgeon · Aug 30, 2010, 10:08 AM // 10:08

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Originally Posted by Earth

Every argument against HB is waved off as coming from someone who abused RR day or someone who never played HB.

Also, how many people actually played HB? A lot of top players had a shitload of socks AFAIK.

Sounds like you take offense to this. I'm saying that i loved HB. I could go to HB and play anything i wanted to play and i did not have to put up with anyone saying "you;re a noob! or you don't have any idea what you're doing!"

I played HB for the fact that it was my choice of how serious i wanted to be. If i wanted to push the ladder i could. If i wanted to go and play 4 shadow form chars i could and i did.

Point being..i never cared to PUSH THE LADDER. I did end up in the top 100 bc of experience and i pushed the ladder at the end. I do think HB needed fixed and it needed more attention than it was given.

I want to see how the active player base feels about HB being brought back. No TA, TA was abused more than HB ever was in he fact that you just ran the same builds in it grinding a title...shove spike me in TA...

HB could be fixed in

A)delete zquest
B)fix shadow steps or make them unavailable in HB like some skills ARE unavailable in codex atm.
C)Leavers/resigners get 60 min(1hour) DH

/signed for a active player poll on HB

Missing HB · Aug 30, 2010, 11:13 AM // 11:13

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Originally Posted by Terrible Surgeon

. I could go to HB and play anything i wanted to play and i did not have to put up with anyone saying "you;re a noob! or you don't have any idea what you're doing!"

I played HB for the fact that it was my choice of how serious i wanted to be. If i wanted to push the ladder i could. If i wanted to go and play 4 shadow form chars i could and i did.

That's the reason me and many other players want HB back.It was even easier to test builds there than in RA in fact .... And once again i will say it , since you're alone , you don't have to deal with mates dcing /afking, hours restarts in hall/gvg, time wasting , ...

This morning ,once again, in Heroes Ascent , we get dc in courtyard ( leading to obvious lose ) , then hour after monk gets dc in antechamber ( obvious hall lose then ) . You cannot know how much it's annoying when you wait hours to form and play , then you get such jokes ( which appear really often)

The Drunkard · Aug 31, 2010, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally Posted by Elnino

Also, if you think that we want HB back just so that we can exploit it/abuse it, why on earth will we be stating the solutions to fix HB and to stop the exploiting? Please tell me. Who would want to abuse a format and state how to stop the abuse at the same time?

Because YOU do not speak for the entire guild wars population, YOU only speak for yourself. If you remember the point of this thread (Adding a poll to the game), you would understand that many on this thread felt that if a simple "yes/no" was involved, then a large portion of the RRers would vote yes SOLELY because they could abuse the format and get cash easily. In addition, the amount of contamination the survey would recieve (friends telling friends which to vote for, alt accounts, forums, etc.) The survey results would only show which side is more determined to kill/revive HB.

If you want to keep trying to convince people that HB was worth saving I won't stop you. But understand this, Anet doesn't listen to its playerbase when it comes to pvp unless there is a major outcry. Until that happens, I'm willing to bet that Anet will never bring HB back.

Missing HB · Sep 01, 2010, 06:42 AM // 06:42

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Originally Posted by The Drunkard

Because YOU do not speak for the entire guild wars population, YOU only speak for yourself.

Looking at the posts he did , i cannot conclude that he is only speaking for himself , but more likely for the entire HB community ( which means people who at least did play it seriously). If you removed the quest ( although it's not the reason HB was deleted ) , all problems would be fixed.

However , the end of your post is quite right though , except if we get a pvp thread with over 200k views( and even...) , they will stick to their dervish/paragon updates and crap which absolutely won't change anything ; and i am almost sure Codex will be let as it is , without any explaination...

Elnino · Sep 01, 2010, 07:34 AM // 07:34

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Originally Posted by The Drunkard

Because YOU do not speak for the entire guild wars population, YOU only speak for yourself. If you remember the point of this thread (Adding a poll to the game), you would understand that many on this thread felt that if a simple "yes/no" was involved, then a large portion of the RRers would vote yes SOLELY because they could abuse the format and get cash easily. In addition, the amount of contamination the survey would recieve (friends telling friends which to vote for, alt accounts, forums, etc.) The survey results would only show which side is more determined to kill/revive HB.

I agree that I cannot speak for everyone, but in regards to the poll, having all those RRetards vote yes would actually help convince Anet to bring back HB and TA (and fix them too)

. Those abusers won't realize that when they start doing RR extensively, there will be a perma-ban waiting for them (since RR is match manipulation) and hence, the problem will be over. Also, if Anet made all the fixes that the true HB community suggested, most of the exploits would be gone and the abusers would be gone too.

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If you want to keep trying to convince people that HB was worth saving I won't stop you. But understand this, Anet doesn't listen to its playerbase when it comes to pvp unless there is a major outcry. Until that happens, I'm willing to bet that Anet will never bring HB back.

Sadly, I have to agree with this.